Life...

[Graveyard Goddess]

Good point foblin...in my opinion
If no one is guiding me in the right direction or telling me i am doing things okay or going to be okay I will breakdown and go crazy. That is fate on its own....so i dont know what to say about it all....makes me fink though

[lostsoul]

When my son went through his operation it was hard but relief. You see, he was a healthy 6lbs 6oz baby at birth, then a few days later he started to vomit everything up. At first i thought it was normal but then it was at every feeding and he threw everything up, he wasn't keeping anything down at all, not even water. We brought him to doctors and drove an hour away from here to see another doctor and still nobody knew what was wrong. He was losing weight and at that age they are not big to begin with. We later found out from a friend who was not even there but talked to my b-friend who told him what was happening to our son, the guy told my b-friend it was the stomach valves that were not working. At this time i was at the hopital with my son and when my b-friend came in to see us he told me this and we asked the doctor if he can send us to Quebec City. The doctor didn't want to at first but we told him we wanted to go because nobody knew what was wrong with our son and we weren't gonna sit around here and wait till he dies! At last we went to the hospital in Quebec City and all they said was that the doctors from here should have sent us earlier, but within 3 hours or so we knew what was wrong with him and it was the valves to the stomach that weren't working. He had his operation the next day because he was too weak that day or they would have done the operation the same day we arrived at the hospital.
I passed the days crying and praying to know what was wrong with my baby. I hardley slept, hardley ate, and didn't want to leave his side at all. Today he is a healthy 3 yr old boy who is constantly on the go. He eats very good and we have no problems with him since the operation. The only problem there is, he beats up his brother and be's bad. But what kid doesn't, huh?

[changeling]

thank you lostsoul for sharing that, i am so glad your son got the help he needed and is ok now. i think the hardest part of this is the waiting and the not knowing. his renal ultrasound came back ok, which is a big relief bec he will probably not need surgery now but they still want to send him for more tests because the blood results are still off and he is not growing at a normal rate. it is so scary/frustrating. i think i might take him to other doctors because this group of pediatricians have not really been able to answer any of my questions to my satisfaction

foblin, i don't think that fate eliminates conscious choice or even that it is active all of the time - i think it just acts as a guiding force sometimes. certain events, at least in my own experiences, have been just too conveient to be conincidence alone and at those times it seems like there was another hand bringing things together- does that help/make any sense? i do believe in a god-like force but not really in the traditional judeo-christian sense.

[foblin]

I can see what you mean, I think it does also depend alot on what you believe about God too. I'd say I'm agnostic, but only because I believe that something must have started everything, and I have some belief in spirits and the after-life.
I do understand why people do believe in fate though =)

[wingedgothgrl]

Okay, I tried to stay away from this thread as my beleifs are my own , but I will share some things with you all. Firstly... I am a practicing Solitary Witch. I was raised Jewish . When I was very small, about 5 maybe, I asked my mother how God could possibly be a man..that didn't make sense to me then and it doesn't now. But whatever.I believe that everything happens for a reason...Too many odd and unusual things have happened in my life for that not to be true.
My nephew almost died when he was 2..he spent an entire year in the hospital before they found what was wrong and that was only after they told my sister he was gonna die.I was a wreck. I couldn't see how my Goddess could take a baby. But , he got well and although he'll never be "normal" he's doing good.
Then my grandpa died of a brain tumor. He had a headache, went to the doctor and 3 weeks later he was dead. Then my grandma died 3 months later of a broken heart. My mother (who is an only child) was devestated. I asked again how could my beloved Goddess do this??
The next year I went to study with an Enlightened Yoga Master. An intesive 1 year program.
I totaly understand everything now. It's all to do with Karma. And you ask..does a little baby have bad Karma?..well, yes they can from a previous lifetime and they're here now, in this life, to pay back their debt. I know it doesn't really sound fair, but it's the truth. I think of it as inspiration to let my next life off the hook. Just say look what I had to over come from my last life, so that I'm free in my next one. Thgere's sooooo much more to it than that, and that's not even a really well articulated explaination, but it'll do for now.

I reccommend reading:
"I Remember Union" by Flo Calhoun
"Autobiography of a Yogi" by Paramahansa Yogananda
"The Yoga Sutras."
And "Spiritual Enlightenment..The Damndest Thing" by Jed McKenna
They changed my whole world and now I see with out blinders.